2 strokes vs 4strokes share your thoughts

[camel]

why is every one converting to 4 strokes

[Mungoman45]

I think the best way to answer that would be to go throw ya leg over one and THEN ask why everyone hasn't converted allready :smoker2:.....hehe

[stavross]

they hook up way better, and can be riden harder for longer by lazy ass riders like myself

[Shifty]

I think 4 Bangers are just way more versitile.

[[TOPGEAR]]

havent ridden a 4 stroke, but i like the smell, noise and power of my 250

[5th pinned]

Originally posted by Mungoman45
I think the best way to answer that would be to go throw ya leg over one and THEN ask why everyone hasn't converted allready :smoker2:.....hehe

Tru but i still like my yz 250

[fmx_kid89]

well im starting to like 4 strokes more now but i still reakon 2 strokes are sick!!!!

[mulisha_mike]

yea i agree with fmx kid89

[billy]

idk. 4 strokes are more versatile but i think 2 strokes are a lil speedier

[metal_miracle]

4stroke is so boring it has no hit just torque.

I feel sorry for the kids that ride 4stroke as there first bike

Its way more fun riding a 80cc than a 125 4stroke

and 4stroke is so noisy

[[TOPGEAR]]

80cc like a cr80 or something as a first bike isnt good

[scobes]

I have a 2004 yz250f and a yz125, and the 250f makes the 125 fell so slow, a 250f has so much more power then a 125 out of the crate that its not funny, its just that theres more mods avaliaable at the moment to make a 125 faster then a 250f, whether we like it or not the 4 strokes are the furture and a few years down the track 2 strokes won't be made anymore

[ALLEN]

2 strokes are always going too be made,not just as many.i dont particulary like four strokes and i strongly disagree that they should be raced in the 125 class,they should have their own class.

[one_industries]

i think 2 strokes are just a bit noisier than 4 strokes lol, but anyway i like both pretty much the same amount

[[TOPGEAR]]

depends, some 4 strokes can be noisier

[donald]

LOOK 4 STROKES =BEGGINERS THAT NOT USED TO POWER BAND 2 strokes will live on forever sure the numbers will decrease a lot but there will always 2 strokes for racing and most of all FREESTYLE

[[TOPGEAR]]

theres different sorts of 4 strokes.

theres off road enduro. eg

xr, kdx, klx, drz and all the others

and motorcross

yz250f,crf250,rmz250,kxf250

[freewheel burn]

i havnt reely ridden a 2 stroke but yeh with 4 strokes you dont have to spend to much money on rebuilds and stuff but you can use 2 and 4s in different ways but if its got power itl be shibby

[The Snitz]

Originally posted by donald
LOOK 4 STROKES =BEGGINERS THAT NOT USED TO POWER BAND .....


LOL... I ... once was nieve like you. That was before I'd ridden one... Now I have a 4-stroke and will never ever go back to a ratty old 2stroke :p Like I said in the other thread... What'd Matty Mac do??.. Ooohh that's right... Won the AM section of X-Rated on his CRF450... biggest bike on the whole course :D

[camel]

sniz 2 strokes have there advantages over 4 strokes

[scobes]

Originally posted by camel
sniz 2 strokes have there advantages over 4 strokes

maybe, name some of them

[Robbo66]

easier to rebuild engines.
easier to change piston and rings.
cheaper to repair the clutch. (un-like $2000 for the YZ250F)
i could go forever.
cheaper to run.
we mix the fuel with oil. while 4 strokes have to change there engine oil every 5 rides 20L of fuel last me longer then 5 rides.

thats what's recommended for longer laster and better performance.

[gad]

no 2 stokes are pritty good but 4 stoke are a lot cheaper and last you longer

[[TOPGEAR]]

cheaper rebuilds on 2 strokes aswell

[Robbo66]

Originally posted by gad
no 2 stokes are pritty good but 4 stoke are a lot cheaper and last you longer

did you read my post? 4 strokes cost more in the long run. they cost more from day 1 when you buy them from the shop.

[[TOPGEAR]]

the only thing that last longer on a 4 stroke is petrol

[gad]

no mate i have a 4 stoke and the only thing ihave done to it is buy a new chain for it and it is 5 years old and ride it prity hard too

[Robbo66]

is it even a motocross bike? you should be changing the oil filter and replacing the engine oil. you will be suprised how much better she runs.

what bike is it?

[[TOPGEAR]]

yeh, & xrs dont count lol

[JAYKAY]

Originally posted by metal_miracle
4stroke is so boring it has no hit just torque.

I feel sorry for the kids that ride 4stroke as there first bike

Its way more fun riding a 80cc than a 125 4stroke

and 4stroke is so noisy

what about the fun you have on an xr 80 for your first bike i even ride my sisters still for a bit of fun and as if two strokes arent just as loud, but i am a two stroke man and noise is half the fun.

[ALLEN]

i love two strokes and most peobably will always own one,i was a ******** strokist,but now i have learnt to accept the 4 stroke.lol.there ya go mungo,the last step,acceptance.lol.

[[TOPGEAR]]

xr100's are cool on the road lol.

i love the sound of 4 strokes

[ALLEN]

i dont really like the sound of 4 strokes,they dont smell nice like 2 strokes either.

[DirtCowboy]

The way bike smells man now your starting to pick nits

but the old 4 stroke are easy to maintain but the more performance the push from the motors the harder they are on internals they are and with the cost of parts the only people who are really winning with the new four strokes are the manufacturers. They are great bikes though but i a bit of 2stroke fan so i backing the 2 strokes

[scobes]

Originally posted by Robbo66
easier to rebuild engines.
easier to change piston and rings.
cheaper to repair the clutch. (un-like $2000 for the YZ250F)
i could go forever.
cheaper to run.
we mix the fuel with oil. while 4 strokes have to change there engine oil every 5 rides 20L of fuel last me longer then 5 rides.

thats what's recommended for longer laster and better performance.

But half point of a 4 stroke is they are more reliable, and you don't have to rebuild the top end every 10 rides like 2 strokes, a 4 stroke engine will last a whole season, easily, if the oil is reguarly changed and the bike is looked after.

20 litres for 5 rides:confused: , i use 10 litres atleast, every ride, don't you do many laps or something?

[[TOPGEAR]]

top end every 10 rides ?? haha.

i ride like 30-50 times a year and probably do the topend once a year

[scobes]

Originally posted by [TOPGEAR]
top end every 10 rides ?? haha.

i ride like 30-50 times a year and probably do the topend once a year

Well if you race and are competive, you have to, last year i was going through a piston and ring every single race day, and most because i had to, at my home track and other sandy tracks, and a new piston and ring every 2-3 hard pack tracks race days, so i don't see whats funny:mad:

[[TOPGEAR]]

yeh, but u could of said ppl that race have to do top end every 10 rides or something like that.

not everyone races.

would piston and rings last ages for ppl that just do freestyle ?

[TWiTCH_ZERO]

well i must admit, if you need to change your piston after every race day i'm worried, somethings not quite right with you bike maybe, i ride FMX so i dont do race days, but i do go to the tracks everyonce and awhile and carve laps for a few hours, and i replace my piston probly every 50 to 70 hours of use, and do the rings every halfway there, but honestly i dont think you can go wrong 2-stroke or 4, both are awsome in their own ways, i can justify why i ride a 2-stroke, i could also justify buying a 4-stroke, so really it comes down to what you want.
TWiTCH

[yamaha_54]

the first time i did a topend it was that bad that it wouldnt start but now i do it more often but i get prolly bout 4 months out of depents how much i ride and now that im getting quicker it wears out quicker 2

[camel]

i love my yz 125 and 250 they goes off

[I_Bleed_blue]

i guess it depends on personal taste, no poll will ever prove which one is better, only you can decide what is best,and it is best 2 keep that opinion 2 urself and respect others opinions

i love the sound of the 250 thumpers but personaly nothing can replace the 2stroke sound

[mulishatrooper]

my only problem with 4 strokes is the torque every time i ride one i cant keep the front end down and i have a kx125 i jumped on a yz450 and nearly killed my self and the lack of controle due to the front liftingit was awsome thoe !!! and yeah 4 strokes smell do smll funny i still like the rush from power band and feal better on a 2 stroke

[Yammi_man]

yeah i know what mulishertrooper means i got a YZ125 and rode me mates crf450, i mean compared to me bike the crf is off its head, too much touque for me but, would rather 2-strokes any day, but i cant wait too see what theres fuel injected 250's and 450's in 2 years will be like, i reckon the 450 will have to much bottom end and so much throttle response the thing will just be insane... but between 2 and 4 strokes at all depends what ya usin the bike 4 and where ya riding

[FMXhellraiser]

I have only read the first 2 pages here but my oppinion is this.... I like 2 strokes and 4 strokes sound nice but I haven't ridden one. I wan't to try one out and see how I like them compaired to 2 smokes. I hear some of you guy's (maybe girls from the sounds of it) talking trash about people that aren't used to powerbands riding them..... well I wouldn't use my mouth so much if I were you guy's because I am sure the people on 4 strokes will smoke you either way. Who cares if it has a powerband or not, it's all about the rider and how you can ride. Sorry if you get mad about what I said but I am telling the truth and tell you not to shit talk on others, we all ride so that's all that matters. If you don't agree with what I said then that's fine with me.

[mick79]

im only a gumbie and only been ridding for twelve months but i ve had two bikes the ttr 250 and the YZF250 both four strokers and ridden a few two strokes but they are just so jerky and unpredictable where the four strokes just seem to be alot smother when you want the power its there you just roll it on but i think it comes down to p[ersonal preference and also a little bit of wot your were taught on maybe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FMXhellraiser]

Mick, your right... It's all personal preference. That's why when people go to buy a bike they shouldn't ask someone which bike is the best because of course everyone will tell you different. Some people think that KTM's are too uncomfortable and not as good suspension as a Honda or Yamaha and other's think that KTM's are more comfortable, etc.

[[TOPGEAR]]

yeh, i want to get a yz426f. everyone ive spoken to about them said they kick ass and was the best bike at the time it was released.

except for a 2000 model, i was talking to someone from the netherlands and he bought it brand new and the clutch shit itself only 3 weeks after buying it. the it took yamaha 2 months to replace it and then 1 month after that the gearbox blew up. that was replaced by yamaha then 4 weeks after, 4th gear got stripped.

thats the only bad thing ive heard about them, it was probably just a faulty bike.

the guy still said it was the best bike he had even though all that shit ****ed up.

[mick79]

#uck that i'd tell yamaha i want new bike and a shit load free extras if that was my bike custormer care just dosent exist if your not a pro rider!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Budlite]

I own a YZ250 mint bike, I used to own a WR400 (got sick of the headlight) In my opinion the 4 strokers are a prick to start but on the up side they are mint to slide on the fast turns as the power feeds on, my younger bro has a CRF450 sounds mint goes hard once again a top bike. I love my 2 stroke because you have to ride it not just sit on it and change gears and enjoy the surroundings, the unpredictability/challange of riding a 2 stroke is the thing I like most, mixin fuel sux though, for me its 2 stroke but for the next bloke it may be a 4. If you get the chance take both for a ride thats the only real way to decide. What ever you decide just cut sick.

[Mungoman45]

Aaaaaah, it's always gunna be an eternal struggle, just as there is with any two sided subject, "good and Evil, Holden and Ford, butter and "i cant believe it's not butter" and of course 2 stroke and 4 stroke. Personally i think there are a lot less Strokists around these days, and people are more accepting of BOTH sides of the engine bay and respect eachother for what they can do, but at the end of the day...it will always come down to those two magical words i love ever so much..."Personal Taste"....The facts have been laid out on the workshop table hard, fast and in giant text, so they can be read by even the most near sighted dimwit....In history today...there is NOTHING a 2 stroke can do that a 4 stroke cant...you name it, racing or FMX....tricks, jumps, FLIPS...all possible with BOTH machines, so when alls said and done...the question shouldn't be 4 stroke or 2 stroke, but "insert rider name here" Vs "insert rider name here"

I rest my case your honour :cool:

[gad]

bullshit 2 stokes are good but 4 strokes are the go and they are not noiser and are easyer to mantain. i love both 2 and 4 stroke

[scobes]

Originally posted by TMD
Think what you wanna think, but in any result, here are the facts (well i'd like to think so anyway, hehe)

I had a 99 model kx 80, it lasted me 3 years before i rebuilt the motor cause it just died while holdin it pinned down a straight. And that was after about 30 or more race days plus practice days, and just fartin around on my mates track.

Conclusion, 2 stroke 4 stroke, they both last long enough. If your a ******** rider you may want to be rebuild sooner then i did, but in the the long run you can't honestly say 4 strokes last longer because how do they last longer? Does it take longer to blow up? Ehem, i think 3 years aint that soon for a 2 stroke to blow up.

And of course all 2 strokes wont be the same but 8 out of 10 times it will be.

My thoughts on both bikes:

2 stroke: fun, exciting (straight off the bat) cost more in a year to run than a 4? I will never believe that. Keeps you on your toes, sounds better, especially when panic revving (ha, 4 strokes sound like they're having a panic attack when you panic rev them), to me they look better than 4's, lighter and will make you a more experienced rider sooner than a 4 stroke will.

4 stroke: Umm whats this valve problem i hear so much about? sound shit, fat, easier to jump with the smoother power, more power? I dont think so, but it is easier to go faster on a 4, straight out of a corner, but really it comes down to skill when comparing a 2 and a 4 like that. Better for a beginner that doesn't want to get into racing, but all in all if you look at bubba kicking so much ass in the US on a 2 stroke, there is nothing expanentially good about them that will change my mind about the 4 strokes.

Well if you race a 2 stroke, then your probably doing a piston and ring a few times throughout the season, where a 4 stroke you don't have to. Therefore making the 4 stroke easier to maintain. To correct you, a 4 stroke out of the crate compared to a 2 stroke out of the crate, the 4 stroke has heaps more horse power, the only way the 2 stroke can catch up is that there is more mods for a 2 stroke then a 4 stroke at the moment. How does a 2 stroke make you a more experienced rider quicker then a 4 stroke?, i have been racing 2 strokes for 9 years, made the move to the 250f this year, and its the best move i have ever made.

[[FMF_FATTY]]

hmmm everyone *****'s over this topic this ones betta no this ones betta personaly its ur own choice what u wanna ride dont let some ****o talk u into buyin soemthing that u dont like the fell off.
Im gunna stay 2stroke fora few more years and let the 4's geta bit more advanced and see what it is like then.
But the 2strokes will always live on forever and there way more funner 2 !!

[RCP]

I was told by my Yamaha dealer a bit over a year ago that Yamaha plan on producing 2 strokes until 2006 and after that it will be 4 strokes all the way. Yamaha will then stop making parts for 2 strokes in 2008. That is why all of the new Quads are coming out in 4 stroke because they are phasing out development of the 2 strokes. That's what I was told anyway.

I've got a CRF450, 2003 model, and love it. It's my second bike (had some when we were kids but that was ages ago and they don't count). I had a 2001 WR250F for about 10 months and a few months ago I trade it on the Honda. I don't have any regrets. The 4 stroke starting problem has been fixed on the Honda by having auto-decomp and the hot start leaver is on the clutch leaver so you kick it just like a 2 stroke. It's heaps easier to start than the WR. Power delivery is smooth and as brutal as your right wrist wants it to be.

In the group we go riding with we have my '03 CRF450, one 2001 YZ250, one 1999 CR250, one 2003 KTM 450SX, and three ('01 and '02) YZ250F's, plus a few Yamaha Blaster quads so we've got most bases covered.

Everyone loves their bikes and the best thing is if I want to ride a 2 stroke me and my bro swap so we have the best of both worlds. I like them both.

[bla_bla]

y are they gonna stop making them

[RCP]

I've heard everything from the two strokes burn oil so they are being phased out because they are bad for the environment to 4 stroke technology is progressing so fast they are going to make two strokes obsolete.

Most race series are moving to 4 strokes now anyway. There were only 4 two strokes on the line in the 125 class at the last AMA Motocross event and pretty much everyone in the 250 class has moved onto the 4 strokes as well (RC has swept the series up to now on the 450).

I'm no expert, just what I've heard from various people.

[bla_bla]

ok well that sux then

[scobes]

Originally posted by RCP
I was told by my Yamaha dealer a bit over a year ago that Yamaha plan on producing 2 strokes until 2006 and after that it will be 4 strokes all the way. Yamaha will then stop making parts for 2 strokes in 2008. That is why all of the new Quads are coming out in 4 stroke because they are phasing out development of the 2 strokes. That's what I was told anyway.

I've got a CRF450, 2003 model, and love it. It's my second bike (had some when we were kids but that was ages ago and they don't count). I had a 2001 WR250F for about 10 months and a few months ago I trade it on the Honda. I don't have any regrets. The 4 stroke starting problem has been fixed on the Honda by having auto-decomp and the hot start leaver is on the clutch leaver so you kick it just like a 2 stroke. It's heaps easier to start than the WR. Power delivery is smooth and as brutal as your right wrist wants it to be.

In the group we go riding with we have my '03 CRF450, one 2001 YZ250, one 1999 CR250, one 2003 KTM 450SX, and three ('01 and '02) YZ250F's, plus a few Yamaha Blaster quads so we've got most bases covered.

Everyone loves their bikes and the best thing is if I want to ride a 2 stroke me and my bro swap so we have the best of both worlds. I like them both.

Which yamaha dealer is this, you really need to see the sales f bikes, cause if heaps more 4 strokes are beign sold then 2 strokes, then they will stop making 2 strokes, there all a bussiness just trying to maximise profits.

[mitch]

up the thumpers two strokes wil never beat em' they nicer to ride faster, sound better , and pull tha chicks!!!!
lol lol

[mitch]

werk dis 1 out !!! 1 of my best mates davie baxter has a yz 125 and a yz250f
he is 4 seconds a lap faster on his 250f
but last week he had his 250f in da werkshop so he had to ride his 125
after riding his 125 for a week he was then another 4 seconds faster on his 250f!!!!
dats sum bizare shit ay!!!

[RCP]

Causeway Yamaha.

[scobes]

Originally posted by mitch
werk dis 1 out !!! 1 of my best mates davie baxter has a yz 125 and a yz250f
he is 4 seconds a lap faster on his 250f
but last week he had his 250f in da werkshop so he had to ride his 125
after riding his 125 for a week he was then another 4 seconds faster on his 250f!!!!
dats sum bizare shit ay!!!

Yeah i've raced a david baxter at the junior nats a couple times, i also have a YZ250F and YZ125, and lap 4 to 5 seconds a lap quicker on my 250F.

[[TOPGEAR]]

Originally posted by mitch
werk dis 1 out !!! 1 of my best mates davie baxter has a yz 125 and a yz250f
he is 4 seconds a lap faster on his 250f
but last week he had his 250f in da werkshop so he had to ride his 125
after riding his 125 for a week he was then another 4 seconds faster on his 250f!!!!
dats sum bizare shit ay!!!

thats because a 250f is faster than a 125.

[mitch]

yer scobes ummm he a aight rider
hge riden heaps better dan last year and they rekon he has a pretty good shot at da ttles dis year!! so umm goood luk!!!lol
wot number r u scobes!!!!

[camel]

2 strokes rule

[mitch]

nar up da 4 strokes

[Robbo66]

Originally posted by scobes
Well if you race a 2 stroke, then your probably doing a piston and ring a few times throughout the season, where a 4 stroke you don't have to. Therefore making the 4 stroke easier to maintain. To correct you, a 4 stroke out of the crate compared to a 2 stroke out of the crate, the 4 stroke has heaps more horse power, the only way the 2 stroke can catch up is that there is more mods for a 2 stroke then a 4 stroke at the moment. How does a 2 stroke make you a more experienced rider quicker then a 4 stroke?, i have been racing 2 strokes for 9 years, made the move to the 250f this year, and its the best move i have ever made.

2 strokes are easier to maintain. i can change my piston and rings myself on a two stroke, at home, with a few spanners. but you cannot do that on a four stroke. it takes way to long. its just like doing a bottom end.

[mitch]

nah scobes have it all wrong four strokes r the more expensive to maintain and take longer
there for they r more expensive and you do more maintainance on a four stroke
but theyre still heaps better than the 2 strokes

[[TOPGEAR]]

Originally posted by mitch
theyre still heaps better than the 2 strokes


why ? give reasons.


some areas 2 strokes are better than 4 strokes and other times 4 strokes are better than 2 strokes. depends what u are doing with it

[KC#97]

Originally posted by RCP
I was told by my Yamaha dealer a bit over a year ago that Yamaha plan on producing 2 strokes until 2006 and after that it will be 4 strokes all the way. Yamaha will then stop making parts for 2 strokes in 2008. That is why all of the new Quads are coming out in 4 stroke because they are phasing out development of the 2 strokes. That's what I was told anyway.



Thats true because in California where there is one of the biggest markets for dirtbike sales there are relatively new laws to do with the environment and stuff meaning that people there will have to ride the 4strokes. Unfortunately this means that if you want a 2 stroke Japanese bike who mostly sells to Cal, you are out of luck

However, KTM and TM on the other hand, have spent the last few years developing their 2 stroke range and I think will continue to do so in the coming years so you can always buy Euro

[scobes]

Originally posted by mitch
nah scobes have it all wrong four strokes r the more expensive to maintain and take longer
there for they r more expensive and you do more maintainance on a four stroke
but theyre still heaps better than the 2 strokes

No i don't have it wrong at all, i raced a yz125 all last season and are racing a yz250f all this season, and the 4 stroke is so much easier to maintain its not funny, we put in god knows how many pistons and rings last year, and even 2 barrels, 1 was new 1 was electroplated, the 4 stroke is much easier to maintain, and robbo you keep going on about how 2 strokes is easier to put new top ends in which of course it is, but your not getting the point, you don't ahve tp put in 4 pistons and 6 or 7 sets of rings through out the year, you don't ahve to do a top end at all for the whole season, alls we are doing is getting the valves cleaned out half way through the season, so whats easier doing top ends or not having to do top ends. The only way you can really tell is to have raced both bikes for a decent period of time, and having a 4 stroke for a couple weeks doesn't count as long enough robbo.

[gumby]

my thoughts are that if u want something relible gutsy, good climber and long- lasting then get a 4 banger but if its acceleratoin and overall power ya want then u get 2 stroke
i ride a 4 banga cos its hilly round my joint

[gumby]

my preference is 4 strokes

[dave250]

Originally posted by scobes
I have a 2004 yz250f and a yz125, and the 250f makes the 125 fell so slow, a 250f has so much more power then a 125 out of the crate that its not funny, its just that theres more mods avaliaable at the moment to make a 125 faster then a 250f, whether we like it or not the 4 strokes are the furture and a few years down the track 2 strokes won't be made anymore

i read somthing the other day that said 4 strokes a just a passing fad and everyone will be turning back to 2 strokes:D

[MoToXxX_91]

2 strokes are much quicker off the mark,easier to throw around and jump i got a yz80 its only like a 94' model but she still goes a Zirtec

[scobes]

Originally posted by MoToXxX_91
2 strokes are much quicker off the mark,easier to throw around and jump i got a yz80 its only like a 94' model but she still goes a Zirtec

2 strokes quicker off the mark yeah right:rolleyes: , 2 strokes you get heaps of wheel spin where as the 4 stroke gets more traction.

[Aus_Yobbo]

as scobes said.. 2 strokes quicker off the mark... highly debateable. i thrashed an 00 CR250 with aftermarket pipes and whatnot on my stock 03 CRF450.

as someone else said.. 4 strokes are great in soft terrain because they have insane traction. i challenge any 2 stroke to a hill climb comp at lancelin sand dunes hahah

and motoXXX_91.. perhaps u should try jumping full size 4 strokes and 2 strokes before passing judgement on how easy they are to throw around.. and how easy to jump in general

[[TOPGEAR]]

it all depends on the rider not the bike.

[Aus_Yobbo]

id say it depends on both the rider and the bike

[Robbo66]

scobes: no offence, but remember that your 125 is an 01, while your 250f is an 04. The new 04 125's are faster.

[scobes]

Originally posted by Robbo66
scobes: no offence, but remember that your 125 is an 01, while your 250f is an 04. The new 04 125's are faster.

Read the stats, a 04 250f, has way more ponies then a 125, out of the crate, and your point is?, of course bikes get better over time, but the fact of the matter is a 250f is faster then a 125, and the 4 strokes as better all round with not needing new top ends, easier matience therefore, etc....

[bentbarz]

yeah i agree i'd rather a 4-stroke any day because there less hassel and i reckon there faster and with two stroke u have to wait till u hit band to get the full amount of power where as a 4 it's on all the time and also there a lot more comfortable to ride. thats what i reckon

[ring-ting-ting]

but then again if you can use a clutch on a two stroke you can always be in ban... they are alot simpler to change the oil on (one bolt) your four stroke should have the oil changed just as much as a two stroke and your four stroke also needs rebuilding every year and that costs around $2000!!! and also remember that a 2stroke 125 almost puts out as much power as a 4stroke 250..... thats twice the engine size, so if the 4stroke doesnt beat it thats a bit useless then isnt it.

[[TOPGEAR]]

Originally posted by bentbarz
and with two stroke u have to wait till u hit band

what do u mean you have to wait for powerband. on my bike its more like powerband has to wait for me lol. as soon as u give it some throttle, powerband clicks in and off you go. 1/4 throttle that is

[yamaha_54]

i think id prefer a 4stroke, i had a ride of my mates crf250 the other day its it just has so much more power and the power is so smooth, but i gotta admit a 125 sounds sick wen its pingin

[brendan69]

its death of the 2 strokes its all 4 bangers *** yeh :jive:

[Moorsy_18]

my kx250 hauls ass, and 2 bangers i rekon are always ment to be maintained but if ur not careful so are 4 strokes. The new 4 strokes hamma the f**k out of some 2 strokes but like said earlier for freestyle and fun factor and straight up power of a 250 2 stroke is wicked..

peace!!

[Moorsy_18]

']what do u mean you have to wait for powerband. on my bike its more like powerband has to wait for me lol. as soon as u give it some throttle, powerband clicks in and off you go. 1/4 throttle that is

Shit yes man, if u ride properly ur bike shudnt be out of band.. but definatly if ur muckin aorund band waits 4 u. if u no how to ride properly.. u control band it doesnt control u

[[FMF_FATTY]]

old thread everyone get over this topic and just have fun riding what you like

[hoppa24]

Shit yes man, if u ride properly ur bike shudnt be out of band.. but definatly if ur muckin aorund band waits 4 u. if u no how to ride properly.. u control band it doesnt control u


thats indeed right. i ride mine always on peak of the power. never a problem.

2 strokes arent as good in slippery conditions however..

[KORUPT-FMX]

thats indeed right. i ride mine always on peak of the power. never a problem.

2 strokes arent as good in slippery conditions however..

throttle controll buddy

[2smoker]

i ride a 450f because i need a bike which can do long trail rides and not run out of fuel. if i could ride whatever i wanted though i would be on 250 2 stroke, more fun having that slightly harder to handle power.

not to mention, im sick of valves and oil filters!

[250rider]

yeah 2 strokes and four strokes are both great bikes just what 4 strokes have there aplications and 2 strokes have there aplications... for motocross i prefer 4 stroke but for everything else 2 stroke is the best

[>>SAM<<]

well i just came from a few years on a 2stroke n now i hav a 250f i thought itd b a piece of s@!t but they aint that bad but like 250rider said they hav their applications

[EastCoastRider]

yeh but every1 got to remember for a 4 stroke to be competative with a 2-smoke it has to hhave twice the capacity :type:

[hoppa24]

throttle controll buddy


yep.. but its easier to ridea 4 stroke in mud than a 2 stroke..

..and my throttle control is crud.

it seems uve always got something to say back to me korupt.. be it useful or not.. cheers.

[__PETEY__]

2 strokes are a lot easy to throw around a track and trails becuse of band and the throttle respose, well thats my opinoin anywya each to ther own as the sayin goes

[2smoker]

anyone wanna swap their yz250 for my yz450f? lol

[KORUPT-FMX]

yep.. but its easier to ridea 4 stroke in mud than a 2 stroke..

..and my throttle control is crud.

it seems uve always got something to say back to me korupt.. be it useful or not.. cheers.

hahaha yeh sorry if im a pain, its not directed at u personally.... just seems ur posts have something usefull 2 reply about...

[josh heit]

when i had my yz 125 i rode a crf 250f and a yzf 450 and straight away i would rather the 4 stroke just the mad power in emm and i just got my yz 250f and it isd much easier and better to ride they just feil so good well thats just my opinion but yeh cheers josh
4 STROKES ALL THEY WAY

[loccocr250]

my personal opinon is 2stroke so much more power
:headbang9

[hoppa24]

hahaha yeh sorry if im a pain, its not directed at u personally.... just seems ur posts have something usefull 2 reply about...


haha all good dude. i just thought i'd point it out.. lol

sadly.. im a 2 stroke lad at heart...

but my next bike will be a 250f.. for racing..

[joelfmx]

4 strokes all the way mate go the mighty 250f
2 strokes smell and sound crap

[[FMF_FATTY]]

4 strokes all the way mate go the mighty 250f
2 strokes smell and sound crap

Most educated post ive herd all day..........Pause.....NOT

[KX80KID]

2 stroke owns!

4 strokes are so boring to ride..(and yes i have ridden one) theyre to "spread out" for me.. like the power has no dramatic/random increases such as power band...I like my bikes to be jumpy and exhilirating(sp?) to ride... not layed back and boring.. therefore my heart lies with the 2 bangers..its just how i roll :Z440:

[2smoker]

"layed back and boring.. ", did you turn the throttle when u were riding the 4 stroke? they go pretty hard.

[250rider]

anyone wanna swap their yz250 for my yz450f? lol
you can buy mine lol!! no swapping

[KX80KID]

"layed back and boring.. ", did you turn the throttle when u were riding the 4 stroke? they go pretty hard.

pffft.. you just answered your own question.. "they go pretty hard"

i know my 125 and 250 go very hard

[kal-el]

youse are al gay and take it up the ass! stop ur winging and ride ur damn bike! wot ever it be if u can beat me on a 125 ur going good!

[KX80KID]

your contardicting urself... :blah:

[[FMF_FATTY]]

"EACH TO THERE OWN" if you are one of the people fighting over this subject your a tool grow up who cares go ride your bike and have fun:)

[250rider]

yeah!!! riding dirt bikes is all about having fun!!!! four stroke and two stroke both rock so lets get out there and have fun people!!!!!! and stop fighting bout 2 stroke vs four stroke

[80s-Kid]

this is the most retarded subject out.. both bikes have power, one bikes built for power one bikes built for torque.. its a different power delivery. its what one person feels comfortable with. what shits me are those people that say 4 strokes cost more to maintain. That in itself is the most retarded comment ever and the most common phrase thrown around in the subject.

and with power, 2 strokes wind up to the power, 4 strokes are on it instantly.

[KORUPT-FMX]

youse are al gay and take it up the ass! stop ur winging and ride ur damn bike! wot ever it be if u can beat me on a 125 ur going good!

ahhhhhhhha hahahaha hahahah

[Thumper_Jumper]

It's all true. to each his own. there are pros and cons but it all depends if you want to be silky smoooooth or blastin' your ass.i can't say much about 2 strokes except last time i rode one i broke my back (powerbands lol) while there may be a crackdown on emissions due to global warming (does that mean hotter chicks?) I think that while thumpers rule the race days, there will always be an acquired class of 2 stroke riders. ( the smell, the sound, the POWER!!) :Z369:

[2000-cr125-92]

(does that mean hotter chicks?):Z369:[/QUOTE]

i dont know if thats funny coz its stupid or funny coz its funny

[sikcr85]

I think the best way to answer that would be to go throw ya leg over one and THEN ask why everyone hasn't converted allready :smoker2:.....hehe
i second that haha

[atomikFMXr]

ive been riding 2 strokes my whole life and i recentley bought a crf450 all i can say is.....never going back to 2 bangers!

[mistermxer]

ill second that with my yzf 250 from RM 125 jump

[B_Rad]

Canon VS Nikon
Mac VS PC
Holden VS Ford
Turbo's VS Superchargers
2 smokers VS 4 bangers


Threads like these keep the internerd alive and no matter how much you argue in them, your still at a computer and not out riding ;)

[thormx683]

haha yeah true
but definately 2 stroke!

[rida_for_lyfe]

2 bangers all the way

[UrEk n TwItCh]

i havnt reely ridden a 2 stroke but yeh with 4 strokes you dont have to spend to much money on rebuilds and stuff but you can use 2 and 4s in different ways but if its got power itl be shibby


lol yeah... and my mate with his 2006 yz 250f is forking out 1200 bucks for a rebuild.

i throw a piston in me 125 for 70 bucks haha and i can do it myself :) none of this gettin a mechanic bullshit to do shims and valves and shit

[azzfox]

lol yeah... and my mate with his 2006 yz 250f is forking out 1200 bucks for a rebuild.

i throw a piston in me 125 for 70 bucks haha and i can do it myself :) none of this gettin a mechanic bullshit to do shims and valves and shit

Too true.

Who needs valves? You go faster without them. :p

[evil1]

i heard that if u take the power band out of a 2 stroke and put in a 4 stroke u get a 6stroke and it is the best thing ever doesnt need any maintaince and goes
under water sounds a little unbelievable but, i'm going 2 try it when i find where i put my spare power band i'll do a report on how it goes

[azzfox]

i heard that if u take the power band out of a 2 stroke and put in a 4 stroke u get a 6stroke and it is the best thing ever doesnt need any maintaince and goes
under water sounds a little unbelievable but, i'm going 2 try it when i find where i put my spare power band i'll do a report on how it goes

LOL

WAT?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff268/azzfox/Funny/Fail/wtfcopy.jpg

[AdrenalneJnky]

Previously had an 05 kx 250,and a few months back (2 or so) jumped on the 4 stroke band wagon by getting a CRF 450r. Initally I loved it and just been slowly getting used to the different riding style to suit these things.

Personal preferance Id say...take one for a good ride,see what you think..

-Pete:Z1:

[m/m troops]

i heard that if u take the power band out of a 2 stroke and put in a 4 stroke u get a 6stroke and it is the best thing ever doesnt need any maintaince and goes
under water sounds a little unbelievable but, i'm going 2 try it when i find where i put my spare power band i'll do a report on how it goes
hahaha, well if you are having trouble finding your powerband in your 2 stroke just save yourself the trouble and buy one! lol.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/ruffy_22/powerband.jpg

[thormx683]

ahahahha pissa
evil1 are you serious?? lol

[evil1]

yeah why wouldn't i be found my power band today so all go ahead tomorrow night I'm just a little concerned how it will affect gyro geometry of the handling will be worth it but, i believe it will give me that much horse power that if i was racing Usain Bolt in 100m i could give him a 10 second lead and still win yamaha read the above the post and are flying over to take tech notes

[patch1234]

i heard that if u take the power band out of a 2 stroke and put in a 4 stroke u get a 6stroke and it is the best thing ever doesnt need any maintaince and goes
under water sounds a little unbelievable but, i'm going 2 try it when i find where i put my spare power band i'll do a report on how it goes
HAHAHAH....

I wish!!! :p

[mistermxer]

started my Rm 125 this arvo.. i seem to have forgotten how much fun they can be. but they just don't match a thumper on the track. but they can be shit loads of fun in the backyard. lol

and the trail of blue smoke.. almost unforgettable.. almost

[Jimbob]

I think 4 strokes are just alot better to ride and more steady

[cam-1]

Four Strokes have to be twice the displacement to keep up with two strokes. There heavier. They have engine braking. They cost more to run and maintain. Cost more to purchase. They bog down. There shit but unfortunately, if you wanna race there mandatory. That's unless you want to be disadvantaged before the race starts.

I couldn't think why a freestyler would want a four stroke. A nice blippy nimble two stroke between your knees would be better..Surely?

Tell me this: Have you noticed the world class racing isnt as good now that 100% of the field are four strokes?

[azzfox]

Four Strokes have to be twice the displacement to keep up with two strokes. There heavier. They have engine braking. They cost more to run and maintain. Cost more to purchase. They bog down. There shit but unfortunately, if you wanna race there mandatory. That's unless you want to be disadvantaged before the race starts.

I couldn't think why a freestyler would want a four stroke. A nice blippy nimble two stroke between your knees would be better..Surely?

Tell me this: Have you noticed the world class racing isnt as good now that 100% of the field are four strokes?

Yep, racing was so much more interesting with 2 bangers. I used to love going to supercross masters.etc many moons ago and hearing them scream around the track. These days racing just makes me think "meh".

I guess all good things must come to an end :(. But 2 stroke will always be burning in my heart. :)

[ABD]

everyone who cant ride gets a 4 stroke so they make them look better than they are, the rules are rigged in racing to make everyone get a 4 stroke = more money for manufacturers, 2 strokes are so cheap to run and still great to ride that manufacters made 4 strokes and had the rules rigged for them imean when a 125 four stroke verus a 125 2 stroke we will see which is better, even so the 250f produces way more hp than a 125 and yet there in the same class, mmmm anyway sure 4 strokes are good to ride but only when there going which isnt often as you need to have your vavles checked every couple rides heaven forbid they need replacing!!! you will need a load from the bank to cover it

i like 2 strokes

[thormx683]

i agree with abd
unless u got the money, 2 strokes are the way

[mistermxer]

and that fact that four strokes have engine braking.. THAT IS ***ING USEFULL. have you ever tried dropping it down a gear coming into a corner??... realy shortens the braking distances...

[KWAKA_FMX]

I was on a 250f quite some time, now i'm riding the 250 2 stroke and loving it. I find i'm riding faster, the bike's easier to jump and the maintenance is just so relieving compared to the 250f. Sure, you have to work a bit harder, but why ride bikes if you're just going to wind the throttle back and click up throug the gears?

I'm hoping the four strokes are just a phase and the 2 strokes are back to how they used to be!

[mistermxer]

doubt it mate.. considering many manufacture are ceasing two stroke production

[azzfox]

True. Quite sad really. Arent they even banned in some parts of the USA? Soon all we will have is the nostalgic memories :p. I wonder if we will see any fuel injected 2 bangers before they are completely axed? That would be interesting!

...Millencolin kick arse :)

[killer yz 250]

it will actually be interesting in the next few years, with these carbon foot prints and credits and such, the "enviromentally friendly" honda image is just that, an image , 4 strokes are worse for the enviroments compared to a 2 stroke just based off the different amounts of metals used in construction of the bike, 4 strokes have a larger carbon foot print than 2 strokes, but on a closed course none of that matters anyways, its just politics and some fat f88ks not addmitting the screwed up the rule book 10 years ago, also i find it ironic how the 4 stroke has allways been the "enduroclass bike" and now there are some 2 strokes showing them how its done in the gncc and such :)

i own a yz 250 and a rmz 250, yz poo's all over the rmz with anything to do with wheels leaving the ground, much rather a 2 stroke any day...gay rulebooks

[waltdog]

Yes, many manufacturers are cutting the two stroke. yamah and ktm are the only ones still making new 2 strokes (suzuki just rebadging) but and this is a very big but! There is still other companies making 2 strokes. Husqvarna. which make a pretty mean bike. and few other companies bringin out new 2 smokers. So maybe they will lead the 2 stroke revenge.

Last year or maybe it was this year there was supposed to be a 2 stroke race at the oppening round of AMA Motocross. they were just going to have a full field of 2 stroke racers going at it. would've been sick, like get carmichael and mcgrath and reed all out on the 2 strokes. but im not sure if it went ahead.

anyway. im a 2 stroke fan and i think i always will be.

[cam-1]

Last year or maybe it was this year there was supposed to be a 2 stroke race at the oppening round of AMA Motocross. they were just going to have a full field of 2 stroke racers going at it. would've been sick, like get carmichael and mcgrath and reed all out on the 2 strokes. but im not sure if it went ahead.

In the upcoming years im suspecting there will be more two stroke only races like the current dep british two stroke championship. It would be good if they did them in aus!

[KWAKA_FMX]

It's sad, but at any race day here in Brisbane (at any track) you'll only see about two or three 2 strokes line up. Races heading in that direction would be great, and might even become bigger, leading to the rule changes and what not, finally to the manufactors producing 2 stroke race bikes again!

I have nothing against the 4 strokes (great bikes!) but if motocross managed over 20 years easily with only 2 stroke engines, why can't we continue to at least share it with the 4 strokes?

[#000]

Any one see what bike Carmicheal did his parade lap on at the Atlanta supercross this year... 2008 RM 250 TWO STROKE!!... Know this is the year 2008, everyone knows that two strokes are dead in the "pro racing scene" but i just find it amusing that now he's retired and doesn't have to compete at that level which bike he actually preffers to ride... Ask 90% of the pro race guys and they'll tell ya the 2 stroke is way more fun to ride, they only ride the four stroke because yes it is faster on the track... So unless your gunning for an AMA/MA/FIM title why the hell would you bother with a four stroke, everyone knows 2 strokes are more fun, cheaper to maintain, don't sound like a wet fart and produce that buitifull smell that every true dirt bike rider can't get enough of...

Long live the 2 stroke!!

VIVA LE RESISTANCE!!

Luv Joel

[KWAKA_FMX]

Amen to that!

[Fat Rat #008]

well im starting to like 4 strokes more now but i still reakon 2 strokes are sick!!!!

my 125 is so much fun but from what i hear four strokes are a bit more user friendly out on the flat plains near walgett.....

[trikdoutyz]

cheers for that Joel. you always got somethng interesting up your sleeve dont ya, goes to show the real pros no the way to go

[METAL_MULISHA13]

Long live the 2 stroke!!

VIVA LE RESISTANCE!!


Those words, SAID IT ALL :)

xoxox

[FMXelliot]

People are switching coz they don't sound like a fly on crack and they have torque and power when you need it. Not some tyre spinner.
4 strokes more reliable and sound more masculine :cool4:

[azzfox]

People are switching coz they don't sound like a fly on crack and they have torque and power when you need it. Not some tyre spinner.
4 strokes more reliable and sound more masculine :cool4:

Fly on crack all the way! Nothing beats the sound of a 2! Or the roost! 4's sound like a wet fart. Youre correct that is more masculine but I dont swing that way haha.

And what makes you think 4's are more reliable? Well bikes like XR's will undoubtedly last forever. But these new clangers constantly need attention. Valves and ovalized cylinders anyone?

What posseses people to buy them? Someone give me a decent honest answer. Sometimes I think the whole world has gone loopy lol. I have 0 interest in them. They sound dull, the straight header pipe looks dull, and who can forget the engine size in them bloody things. Theyre machinery, not bikes! :p

I diddnt mean to rant, I just got caught up in the moment :p.

[thormx683]

i agree 100%
hahaha

[Brantholemuel]

hahahaha a wet fart...lol funny.Personally i like ma good ol 2strokes and everyone thinks 2strokes=rebuilds constantly,but there not really that bad,depending on how hard u ride it,a 2troke motor can last you for years....anyway 2strokes and 4strokes both have there differences,so you cant really say one is better than the other.they have different purposes...like a 4banger would kick ass in the shrub in most cases,but a 2stroke dominates at freestyle (note all the pro freestylers that use 2 strokes cos there light etc) ....
but at the moment..i like my 2strokes = ]

[mistermxer]

correction..

you like my 2 stroke at the moment..

[iqnuisator]

Yeah i'm not sure about 4's being better for the bush cos me and my mates keep up with some fella's i know and they mostly ride 450's.

So the 2's MAY need an extra go at a hill or something like that but i always reckon that the best part of riding is the fun in trying to get to the top of that hill even if it takes 4-5 attempts. Wheres the fun in a first time success.

Plus 2's smell so damn much better.

[mistermxer]

just read in ADB today that they are allowing up to 150cc screamer racing against 250F. ( and 250cc screamer against 250F in NZ ). so that should be good for the sport. might bring back the screamer and re even the field.

[ABD]

im not sure if u guys have seen the ktm 150sx but that thing hauls a**, check it out

YouTube - CADREZZATE STEFANO GALLO #114 SU KTM SX 150 2009 MXBARS.NET

YouTube - 2008 CRF250R vs 2008 KTM 144SX - Motocross/Supercross vs crf 250

i think 4 strokes are in troublee!!!

[pepperman]

Ha ha, valves are funny!
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq81/iaresmart/P180709_1242.jpg
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[FANGIN]

Bloody Wasps in a can the ol 2 strokes, I think both bikes have their Pro's and Con's i ride 4st tho because well im new to the sport, and well me an 2st's have had bad experiences.

If i could own both i would but moneys tight

[bradyfmx]

why is every one converting to 4 strokes
they dont really make 2 strokes anymore only really the yzs and sx

[thormx683]

Ha ha, valves are funny!
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq81/iaresmart/P180709_1242.jpg
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq81/iaresmart/P110709_1353.jpg

dude! wtf happened?

[pepperman]

Exactly what can happen to any four stroke YZ if not enough oil gets to the cam, causing it to bind up then the valves say hello to the piston...............hello piston! It's not mine' it's a mates YZ250F. He asked me to see why it had no compression. I found out.

[thormx683]

Haha far out man that looks costly, that sucks aye haha
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[pepperman]

Yep, pretty expensive if you buy from a shop here. This is an ebay store I found in the USA that has a good range of engine stuff if anyone is interested. I'm computer dumb so just go onto the US ebay and look up north county yamaha. It worked out roughly to be $1500 AUD for a full set of valves with springs and stem seals, cylinder head minus cams and a full top end rebuild kit. But the dudes not listening to me and just wants me to put new inlet valves in it for him even though the inlet cam now has too much play in it and will flog out in no time. He'll find out when the engine makes a nice knocking noise. And not to mention the piston obviously hit the valves funking hard to bend bend them the way it did........whats wrong with the piston that we cant see? A piston kit from the states is only about $135 Aussie dollars with postage so why not change it while the engines apart!

[pepperman]

But I still think valves are funny.

[thormx683]

True that man, might aswell do it all. Ha yeah valves, who'd have em ha
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[pepperman]

True that man, might aswell do it all. Ha yeah valves, who'd have em ha
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People with lots of money to throw at their bike when shit goes wrong. Lucky it's an '01 model with stainless valves cause titanium would have snapped the end off doing far more damage. Titanium valves aren't funny.

[hondaboy94]

4 strokes ya can give it s**t or ya can just cruise around on.

but with the 2 strokes ya got that bl**dy sound in ya ear all the time and ya have too get the revs perfect and it is jst to much muckin around for most people:axe:

[FMXelliot]

But I still think valves are funny.

note those are yamaha valves

[Trewman]

I own a 400cc 4 stroke and a 250cc 2 stroke. I had the 4 stroke first. Man I dont even ride the 400 anymore its way to boring. If I am out in the bush Im going flat out I dont have a particular destination so why would I want a cruiser. I love been able to mang past all my mates 450s etc and they r like but but but its only a 250. So epic win for the 2 banger on my behalf. Sometimes towards the end of the day and Im exhausted a 4 stroke would be nice but thats me feeling tired

[ABD]

the modern 4's are better in every way quicker around the track , much more forgiving. there easier to start than 2 strokes. The only down side is a 4 stroke is alot to fix when it blows up. ill put it in perspective

yz 125 bought new - 50hours ride time needed 2 top ends and 6 oil changes about 1250 all up

yz250f bought new - 140 hours ride time 1 ful engine rebuild and about 17 oil changes. about 3grand all up.

[fast pace]

LOL... I ... once was nieve like you. That was before I'd ridden one... Now I have a 4-stroke and will never ever go back to a ratty old 2stroke :p


hahahahahaha
soz i jus read that and lol'd haha
i dont think i can ever see you on a 4 stroke haha

what was up with ya ktm at x-kings sounded like the jetting was ****ed

[Honda_150_Rydr]

the modern 4's are better in every way quicker around the track , much more forgiving. there easier to start than 2 strokes. The only down side is a 4 stroke is alot to fix when it blows up. ill put it in perspective

yz 125 bought new - 50hours ride time needed 2 top ends and 6 oil changes about 1250 all up

yz250f bought new - 140 hours ride time 1 ful engine rebuild and about 17 oil changes. about 3grand all up.


4 strokes being easier to start then 2 strokes?

[Fat Rat #008]

i think that every person soots a different bike. My mate had an 08 RMZ 250 and the other day he got an 08 YZ125 and the first arvo he rode he improved his lap times by 5 seconds... and still getting better. And then u have people who have performed better on a 4 stroke.

Personally i like 2-strokes!!

[Honda_150_Rydr]

Personally i LOVE 2 strokes

[thormx683]

at the moment i have a 250 2 stroke. next year when the 2011 250f's come out i will be buying one, the switch to 4 strokes :)

[FMXelliot]

4 strokes being easier to start then 2 strokes?

A 250F is easier to start than my dad's Gas Gas 300, has a lot of compression under it. And my 450 is easier if you have the strong smooth kick, but it does require a type of technique.

at the moment i have a 250 2 stroke. next year when the 2011 250f's come out i will be buying one, the switch to 4 strokes :)

Lots of the changes are for 2010, You will be getting charged like $2000 more for new graphics if you wait till early 2011. But I know the feeling of when you need to have the latest and greatest hah :clap4:

[Honda_150_Rydr]

All my mates 250f's take like 5 kicks to start and then like 3 kicks to start once thier warm, I just drop my foot on the kickstart of me 125 and it starts soo easy.

[Baldwin1993]

at the moment i have a 250 2 stroke. next year when the 2011 250f's come out i will be buying one, the switch to 4 strokes :)
i never thoguht u were gay josh, boy was i wrong! LOL

[FMXelliot]

All my mates 250f's take like 5 kicks to start and then like 3 kicks to start once thier warm, I just drop my foot on the kickstart of me 125 and it starts soo easy.

lol dodgiest 250F's, my 08 CRF250R was like a kickstarting machine, it was hard not to start it lol

[thormx683]

Oooh too far baldwin! Hahaha, go back to your corner with your ktm on the closeline and pretend ure a pro (Y)
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[Baldwin1993]

Oooh too far baldwin! Hahaha, go back to your corner with your ktm on the closeline and pretend ure a pro (Y)
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FINE i will! lol

[FMX_101]

Ive Ridding plenty of four strokes and i still gotta say i love my 2 stroke its cheap to fix and goes like hell. all the those Valve Eaters can get bent

[FMX_101]

at the moment i have a 250 2 stroke. next year when the 2011 250f's come out i will be buying one, the switch to 4 strokes :)

All i gotta say is have fun rebuilding the top end if your gona play with them valve eaters your gona pay big time

[thormx683]

All i gotta say is have fun rebuilding the top end if your gona play with them valve eaters your gona pay big time

yeah ive had one before.
price dont worry me either

[#269]

personaly i like the challenge of the twoey

[mbzboi]

4 strokes are too predictable bore the f'n shit out of me long live the cr 250