"How to" - Seat Grab

[The Snitz]

"If I get SSG's through your advice I will send you flowers. Now if that's not incentive then what is haha!"

Well that's incentive enough for me :D

The Superman Seat Grab (SSG) is more of a multi-stage trick. Where you need to do a few different things to get the desired extension you want. I'll explain it in steps :

1. Approach the ramp in normal body position, but it's easier if you leave your left hand a little loose on the grip (generally for most beginners left hand grab is easier than right hand/or throttle hand).

2. As you leave the ramp, without doing anything else for the first few jumps, get a feel for pushing your body back a little, taking your hand off and reaching for your seat grab. Get a feel for where it is and try to hold it as long as possible from start of the jump to when you land. When you reach back, and grab the hole, grab it with a fair bit of strength so you know you won't slip off. This mainly builds up your confidence.

3. Once you have an idea of the grab, when you leave the top of the jump, lean back a little, get the grab, and once you have the grab you can then begin to just take your feet off the pegs. So you'll be doing like a Seat Grab No Footer.

4. Seat Grab No footers now feel easy? Good!. Now what you need to do is to start doing this process alot faster and as soon as you leave the ramp try to do it all, almost in one smoothe action. You will start to feel yourself fly up higher of the seat each time as you take your feet off. This is great. As long as you can control it and have the strength to pull yourself back onto the bike for landing you're already half-way to a Seat Grab!

5. This step is a clincher and most people will tell you the same, once you grab and let your feet go, you need to point you Ass up to the sky. What you want to do is to get your body horizontal, this will mean your legs will then follow your ass up. (For beginners who may find they don't have enough time to do this - You may find it easier from when you point your ass up, try and actually kick your feet up.. Really give your legs a good flick up and you might find yourself getting into a seat grab for the very first time!!)

Another tip is to also arch your back. If you feel you can't get your body straight, when you leave the ramp, really arch your back as hard as you can to give you an idea on how to get your feet up past the bike.

6. Now you are almost getting your feet up over the bike and amost straight each and everytime? just can't get them fully extended. Now you want to use your left hand on the grab to actually push the bike down a little. This might feel really weird and you might not think your doing anything to the bike, but if you have someone watching you get them to tell you what is actually happening to the bike (OR even video it!!). Push the bike down while your pushing your body up, this will be the best way to extend your legs out straight.

7. Most important part - Get back on!!! When your getting extended you want to pull hard on both hands, so you pull yourself back to the front of the bike to grab on to the bars, which will bring your feet back down to the pegs and in for a safe landing.

In this pic - Notice I have my body completely flattened out (Step 5) Even if my feet weren't completely straight make sure to get your back straight and it will eventually get your legs to come up.
GOOD LUCK!!!

Any questions if you get stuck (As most people will take a fair while to get this trick) Just ask and I'll help you out for your particular problem :)

Copyright © Steve Sommerfeld 2004 All Rights Reserved.

[GStylEr]

Well I don't actually know what it is, maybe I'm not concentrating enough in the air... My left leg always seems to go out sideways, like split, rather than back, and when I try kickin them I lose my horizontal or somethin, as explained in the pics. I think I'm trying to arch my back to get the legs up but instead all that happens is my head/shoulders come back up. These are 2 different things I was trying in January in an effort to learn them, the 1st is just tryin to crunch as much as possible, the 2nd is trying to kick back, it was the best pic I had to show what my stupid unco leg does, the right one can be going back just fine but the left will stick out away for some bloody weird reason.

[GStylEr]

At some point in January I managed to rip this one from somewhere but I don't think I can do it anymore, wasn't great anyway so... Any thoughts?

[The Snitz]

GStyler, ur pics look pretty good actually, that first pic shows ur body flat. Your feet look perfect in that position to push back straight. Keep doing the jump like that. Maybe for you, see how your left foot flys out to the side, that would be from the "Kick" as you mentioned, maybe for you, to keep your legs curled up into your body just as the first pic is, and then simply push Up, and then try to Straighten your legs in one smoothe movement. Also with your feet coming up, it might scratch your plastics a bit, but if you don't mind... try slide your boots up the plastics, that way you can feel your legs are in a straight line and not shooting off to the side.

Actually, notice the bike is in quite a straight line, parallel to the ground, when you grab, try pushing as hard as you can on your left hand and push the back of the bike to the ground (It kinda cheats you to be above the bike) and easier for your legs to come together. Try and touch your ankles together :D

See how you go :D

[The Snitz]

I was trying to think of little helpful bits to make it easier for you to get that SSG. Another little tip would be to keep yourself forward up on the bike, so your helmet is almost on the bars. This means you have a better centre of gravity over the bike and might feel more confident in getting your legs and feet up to extend them back.

When learning this trick... I'd say about 40 foot is a minimum to learn it off. You need a fair bit of air time when learning this, to figure out how to organise yourself to do the trick the way you like. For those of you, I do have a little video clip of me doing a fully extended SSG over 20 foot (when I was mucking around) if you would like to see how quick you probably need to do it?? Just ask me and I'll put it in here to download.

[GStylEr]

Thanks for that man. On many of them it feels like I'm heaps close to the bars and it kinda feels weird, but I don't seem to think about it much in the air ya know. I'm usin a comp ramp at 60ft so I should be all good for time correct? Me mate learnt them at about 40 or so a while back so it should be right.

Unfortunately I do ride by myself lately since the bro is at school so no pics for updates, and it was windy all day today so here's hoping for a decent sesh or 2 tomorrow. If I get something that feels semi-satsifactory I'll take the vid cam down and film myself and get the pics off that. Yesterday I was workin on em though and was just focusing on bringing the legs back crunched and getting up off the bike sorta thing keeping the legs relatively together so hopefully I'll pick that right up again tomorrow and get working on some extension. Thanks for the help and I'll keep you updated!

[The Snitz]

I decided it might be best to have a watch of a video of a Seat Grab.

I've got a couple of SSG video's here, but I think this video that you can download best shows exactly when I'm beginning the trick, moving my hand straight back for the grab while simultaneously starting to lift my body off the bike, and also exactly when I decide to grab back onto the bike for landing.

I'll go through it in brief little stages at the main description is the above ^. Play the Video through once to show you what I'm doing in normal view and then put it on Pause and just go through frame by frame to see exactly what I'm doing. (Don't mind Rick (fmx_rick) behind me :p) When he heard I was putting up a video for "How-To's" He Insisted he join in. HAHA... J/K.

1. First part of the trick, you can see I'm only about one bike length away from the ramp when I begin to reach back for the grab and also at the exact same time as I'm reaching back, you can see I'm lifting my body off the bike and just make out that my legs are starting to come up off the pegs.

2. By the time I've actually got the grab and holding strong, my Back is already flat, and you can see my feet are almost above the seat already. All this before I'm even 2 bike lengths after leaving the ramp.

3. For the most of the trick, now, it is centered entirely on my legs pushing back and up. Notice my back stays completely straight almost in the exact same position the whole way through the jump. I keep my helmet close to the front to centre the bike, and I always keep both of my arms bent just slightly. All the while I'm keeping a fair bit of pressure on the Grab, pushing the bike down as I'm going up.

4. When I'm getting ready to land, you can see I'm actually pulling my legs up higher before I start to come down. Alot of people do this, because it feels like one natural free-flowing movement. Kinda like when riders "wind up the windows" when extending their arms to get back on. It all helps in momentum to get yourself back on the bike.

5. As I'm just coming in, I give the grab hand a good pull back up, as to bring the bike up, and also my body down. This will bring your head back up and drop your back getting closer to the bike.

6. Note I don't even let go of the grab hole and grab back onto the Bars until I'm just over the top of the downramp. This is so I can control my body through the entire process of returning back to normal position to land.

Hopefully that was of some more help to you guys, Like I said before, this trick does take a while to master as you have to Co-ordinate your body to do what you want it too, and you also have to time exactly when to begin the trick.. My tip is to begin grabbing and letting yourself go as soon as you see the tip of the ramp disappear from under you.

Video:
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File Size - 908Kb
Video Length - 3 Seconds

[The Snitz]

Ok, Here is my Seat Grab over 20Foot. Be careful when doing this trick on a small gap.. For some of you this may be the biggest you've jumped, so you when learning this trick take each step slowly to figure out your timing, but when you want to have it fully extended, you need to do everything very quick.
(Don't mind my mate at the end, he, like Rick, insisted in being in the video :p haha)

Video:
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File Size - 700Kb
Video Length - 2 seconds

[DirtCowboy]

sweet vids helps alot to see it play in front of you when you are looking through the step and God damn boy you get some extension for just a 20 footer nice effort snitz keep the how to s coming your doing an awesome job

[The Snitz]

Yeah I feel the video would really help you out when you read through the guides, you can stop the video and look and see exactly what I'm writing is exactly what is happening in a video, works like a charm!

Ahah and yeah, that 20 Foot SSG is a damn fine effort if I do say so myself,.... I was going for like the biggest trick off the smallest jump :p

[GStylEr]

Aight so, the weather pissed off, and all was good for a ride. I was goin crap for a while... Then something happened I guess, dunno what, and all of a sudden...:D Thankyou Steve for your help!

[troop of doom]

that is one nice shot when should i cut out some grab holes liek i dunno if i can do em or not and you said use yuor left hand but i think i feel more cumfortable with my right even no i havnt tryed them yet.
do u have to get your bike re jetted aswell cos i have heard u have too...

troop

[GStylEr]

Just cut 1 hole when you wanna start trying the grabs... Sounds like you might want the right one first so go with that, try grabbing and see if it feels ok. Personally grabbing right hand feels bloody awful for me but everyone's different so just do what feels comfy. I never had to rejet my bike... It might've been a little rich before the holes though I'm not sure but often it makes no difference just depends who you ask. Also if you like you can get grip tape and stick it on your subframe where you'll be grabbing if you need the confidence, I've never tried it though.

[The Snitz]

A Very big Congrats to Grant for his Seat Grab, I bet it's a huge weight off his shoulders to get that trick down, and now the sky's the limit :D Good work mate hope to see some more big tricks ;)

And Troop, I haven't personally heard of anyone re-jetting their bikes with cut grab holes. Only if they are in high-altitude areas. Cut 1 grab hole and see how your bike feels, if it does start to splutter, then you may need to rejet but I doubt it will. Hope to see you bust big too :)

[freestyle_rulz]

hey im gunna try a ssg tomorrow, and ur tips have helped me heaps snitz, thanx heaps ill let yas know how i go, im gettin it on vid so if i can i mite put it on, well thanx heaps guys, catch

[The Snitz]

Awesome mate, can't wait to see the pics, even if you don't get it in one day, don't worry, it took me a very long time to get an SSG myself, just post up your progress for us all to admire :)
Good luck mate

[#000]

Hey all thought this might help inspire a little...

I know when i was first getting into it u'd see all the really good dudes going huge and ya think to ya self " i'm never going to be able to do that"... well you can and here's the proof...

I dug up some old shots of the guys from team RFDmx when they were learning there first SSG's... so enjoy, laugh and be inspired, u can do it!!:D

1st up here's Joe Sheppard (JSR)

[#000]

Next is me... this was over a finish line table top on a moto track haha:D ...

[#000]

Here's Ryan Apps...

[#000]

Next is everybody's favorite Nazi... Lars Eritz (1madgerman)

[#000]

And last but not least, little goon boy, Rhys Hillier...

Hope they may have inspired a little...:D

[HILLIER]

yeah remember that day joel at that demo.. ahh many memories!
u said i had to learn a grab befire u told me wat RFDmx meant.... an i did it an now i can do em heaps...
good to see lil goons havin a dip..
nice pic
Rhys

[rmrider]

can you guys give me some more tips for getting my grabs down.. so far i only have seat grab no footers, i dont know what im supposed to do... when i pop off the ramp am i supposed to jump into a superman or do i grab while doing a no footer then kick out? i hear im supposed to pull my ass up into a ball then kick out but i dont even know what that looks like, im going riding saturday and want to learn these things!


DAN
ps heres a pic - from the looks of it im not grabbing soon enough because here i am comin in for a landing.. i dont remember if i was holdin the grabs or not but ya tell me what to do thks

[The Snitz]

G'day Dan,

Yeah it does look like you are trying to grab as your beginning to land. The best tip I can give you for that is, when you leave the ramp, watch the ramp until it passes below your feet. It's more of a visual cue to start the trick.

When you grab, try pushing your body back off the bike more. At the moment you are grabbing between your legs, what you want to do is grab in front of your legs, if you get what I'm saying. Don't worry about tucking your legs up in a ball if it doesn't help. Just grab on and push back on the bike. Keep your feet up in the air all the time though, as this will help you extend back.

When I do seat grabs (now that i'm experienced) I move my feet off the pegs and grab at the same time... So i'm not Grabbing, then moving in 2 different stages, its all at once. Try giving that a go too


What is the gap you are jumping ??

Anyway, I hope those little tips have helped out :)

Steve :afro:

[rmrider]

hey, here is the ramp, landing and me..

http://members.rogers.com/tojcic2/ramp/Image24.jpg


i think i know what you mean by grabbing the seat and pushing backwards.. is that mostly done off the ramp? ive never tried a regular superman or anything, they look awful hard to get back onto the bike though - dont need that to happen!

[The Snitz]

Ahh cool, yeah thats probably enough time to get a superman Seat Grab down :)

Just yeah push off the back just as you leave the ramp. Keep practising mate, it took me about 2 months to get seat grabs down properly... hopefully you'll get them down much faster than I did :)

(I'm sure I didn't see that wooden ramp down in the bottom... I'll just forget i saw it haha :p)

Steve :afro:

[rmrider]

thanks man.. i will work on them and see how it goes!

what do you mean by this - "I'm sure I didn't see that wooden ramp down in the bottom... I'll just forget i saw it haha"

[The Snitz]

Ah, I wasn't sure if you'd seen some of the other threads, but there has been many arguments about wooden ramps on these forums in the past, i'm on the side that says they're unsafe, and should only be out of Steel... lol it was just a bit of a long running joke. No matter though, you're using it and well, keep it up :)

Get some pics of how you go this weekend of the seat grabs mate, see if it helped at all :)

[rmrider]

oh, thanks man.. yeah its wooden but its as solid as some of the steel ramps out there! its really heavy and has a lot of supports (A LOT!).. ,my friends in the process of building a steel one that is going to be for more distance (60-80), this one shoots you funny after 65ish

[rmrider]

hey, i went to a new spot yesterday and seshed for awhile.. i was getting seat grab no footers of a very small 20ft double and kind of floating back some.. when i go back to the ramp today i think i will be able to do it, i was feeling good grabbing today - a lot more in control

[The Snitz]

Sweet mate!! You'll start to learn to do your tricks quicker and quicker when your on smaller jumps, then when you move back to bigger gaps, you'll have all the time in the world :D

[rmrider]

i went to the ramp the other day and didnt have any luck!

although i went riding today and found a mini table 15ft maybe? lol but i would overjump it to flat.. anyway i just tried to get a feel for my legs bent up a little and out.. iguess this is a start to bigger and better things!
ps - i wasnt landing these very good, i could kinda pull my legs back but i would sack myself most of the time ,they feel weird!

[1madgerman]

Ey bro wat u going for there ssg? you forgot the grab man. lol lookin good tho.

[rmrider]

lol no just a superman, i want to try and get my legs out to get some confidence

[1madgerman]

yeah cool well your well on your way to superman better than i can do. lol
Lars

[rmrider]

im in front..

i think im gunna be ridin at the ramp this weekend, im gunna practice all day to get seat grabs down.. ive been jumping off my bike in the trailer and trying to do them, it feels pretty easy that way so i will see (yet again) what i can do on the ramp

[walter]

i hav gotten this far steve and i dont no wat to do next ppl hav told em to push ur legs out but i hav and it dosnt make a diffrent so can ya tell me wat to do man thnks here is the pic
coon....

[GStylEr]

You're doin it wrong... You gotta bring your legs and feet behind you when you jump off the pegs, you've got em forward no footer style. Bend your knees and start bringing your ankles up along your sideplates as you grab. Keep em together a bit too, don't spread em out like you are now. Eventually you'll start getting into a crunched grab position with your legs behind you, and from there you straighten your legs back and that should have it.

[...HOLLIS...]

is this the right sorta motion???? this was off a lil tiny dirt double and wanna get em good when ramp is finished... so is this how to go bout it?? give tips

[walter]

You're doin it wrong... You gotta bring your legs and feet behind you when you jump off the pegs, you've got em forward no footer style. Bend your knees and start bringing your ankles up along your sideplates as you grab. Keep em together a bit too, don't spread em out like you are now. Eventually you'll start getting into a crunched grab position with your legs behind you, and from there you straighten your legs back and that should have it.

that man ur a big help :Z33:

coon.......

[sik_50]

ok .steve im on a 50 and im goin off your advice and some help from mr. Glover and hopfully i will be bringing back pics of me doin ssg's next time i get to ride...gotta wait for my compund to dry out LOL.

[Fiddy Rider]

This is a pic of me attempting a seat grab today. can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I did a few half decent ones but I didn't get pics of them!!

[Skeletor666]

hey do u have a bigger pic of them casue it's kinda hard to tell what ur doing wrong when the pic is that small

[Fiddy Rider]

Ok here is the bigger pic!

[sik_50]

there gettin there dude...well done....when my compund dry's out i'll be trying them so...hurry up and dry LOL.

[The Snitz]

Hey mate, looking like your getting the start of it sweet...
best part would be to kick your feet off first, and then grab back.

By the time you've grabbed, your feet will be coming up above the seat, and then kick out. Keep it all in one smoothe movement if you can :)

Steve:afro:

[Fiddy Rider]

Thanks!! Yeah I wasn't sure whether to grab first or the take my feet off first. So I should throw my feet back first?? I don't know if my jump is big enough, it was 15 foot in the pic??? Yeah Kade send some pics of your attempts when you have a go!!

[Fiddy Rider]

Here is another pic!

[Fiddy Rider]

If any of you guys can do ssg's on 50 put a pic up so I can see what I am doind wrong. Thanks!

[gloverfmx411]

from the look of your photo it looks like your kicking out then reaching down for the grab? if u are kinda jump out into a s'man while grabing at the same time then kick your legs while pushing on the bars, another way is doing like a no footer, grabing then pushing hard on the seat to get your arse and legs back, thats the main one i do now cause im trying to learn harts. you need about a 25-30ft gap depending on your ramp, if its really kicky you can have bout 15-20. if it aint so kicky you need about the 25-30ft. heres a gap from fmxnats

[Fiddy Rider]

Yeah I think thats what I am doing! Yeah I am pretty sure I could do it if I had a bigger gap but it is only like 15 foot and it isn't real kicky so I don't get enough time to do it. I will bring the ramp back next time I ride it and hopefully I can do a alright one! Thanks for that Scott and that pic looks sweet. Can you do harts yet?

[METAL_MULISHA13]

Harts on a 50. I wanna see that, would look sick.

[gloverfmx411]

cant do them yet, still practiceing. i should have them sorted for kotc tho

[Fiddy Rider]

Scott, put a pic up if you get them down! Here is a link to Kelly Tedder doing what I would call a hart. http://www.pitracermagazine.com/profile.htm

[sik_50]

on 50 nuts 2 there is about a 1 second clip of chris clark rippin a hart on his 50.....looks trick.yer id call that a hart aswell.

[Fiddy Rider]

I've nearly got my SSGs down!! The gap is 17ft!! Tell me what you think!!! The pic quality isn't the best cause I got it from a vid.

[Skeletor666]

sick keep it up

[Fiddy Rider]

Thanks mate, I'll get them good 1 day!!

[FREESTYLEMX17]

i was tryin em but i keep thinkin i aint got enough time i can grab and like get one foot off,, i dont know what im doin wrong

[Fiddy Rider]

Yeah, got some pics???? Were you on a 50??

[FREESTYLEMX17]

im on a 250 doin over about a 55ft foot gap,, i dont know weather to grab then jump off the back or jump off the back then grab i dunno what to do,, i really wanna get em down this weekend

[The Snitz]

Hey mate, best thing is to try it yourself first. Go out and get used to reach back and finding your grab (without even pushing your feet off).
To do this the safest, I'd recommend you get the grab first and then push off. But when you learn it, you'll find it much easier to push off and grab as your are leaning back.
The best way to learn is to try it yourself, see how you feel, then come back and read the guide and see if you're going well :)

[GStylEr]

Yeah what the guru said. Get a solid feel for the location of your grabhole first, then once you're ready change over and start jumpin off the back and grabbing at about the same time. Keep your legs crunched as that really helps you get up into flat, and then work up to kicking them out.

[FREESTYLEMX17]

oh ok cool, cause yer like i said i can actually grab but can only get one foot off at the back and its is fricken annoyin haha,, i will post some pics up here after sunday if i do learn how to grab

[HILLIER]

once u have ur hand on that grab nothing can happen, as soon as u feel it grab just throw your feet up an stink bug up until u can get nice stinker bugs then just piull on your grabs an the bike will come back

[Tanti]

When your going up the ramp just jump of the back of the bike, jump so your legs go up and grab the seat.. WHoo fmx!

brahhout

[HILLIER]

thgat sounds pritty crazy jumpin off the back while ur on the ramp.... brahhout

[Tanti]

hahahaha!, I new you would make a some smart ass comment about what I had to said... So predictable.

FREESTYLEMX17: im on a 250 doin over about a 55ft foot gap,, i dont know weather to grab then jump off the back or jump off the back then grab i dunno what to do,, i really wanna get em down this weekend.

Why dont you be a smart ass to him?

I say jump off "Freestylemx17". Jump of and then grab as your are floating back. :) Good luck dude

Brahhout marto

[HILLIER]

so predictable........ u can only give someone so much tips on something. its 90% up to them, so u can do all your little step by steps but honestly you cant sit there an say man, just grab, twist your hips an let go or whatver

all you dudes should just keep at it on your ramps an on your bikes an dont give up. if you want something bad enough u wont give up an you shouldnt rely on a person to get you to where you want to be..... its all up to you

[allbonesbroken]

like wat hiller said everything takes time just keep doing it over and over and one day it will just happen

[Tanti]

id have to agree with ya there Ras, Like you cant tell some one how to flip for eg. Like you cant say yeh do this then go here and do that.. cinda thing they have to have the feel for it and do it under there own accord. 90% indeed

peace marto

[mx_rulz]

well dunno if it is a cowinkidink but i read stevo's advice..and i had tried ssg's like 4000 times and always put my feet forward...then read it went out and got them right off the bat and now they are like..so easy lol
brendan

[HILLIER]

it could be a cowinkidink haha jokes bro

coincidence i think... dont quote me on that, i ride i dont go to school

[M/M FMX_er]

Mad props to Steve on these how to guides! I looked at this how to on a Superman Seat Grab a few months back and in no time I was bustin em' out. Keep up the good work as I will be reading up on a lot more of your trick guides.

Chad Wolf

Burley, Idaho USA

[rip_jp]

yeah cheers steve !! i know exactly what im doing wrong :D im not pushing my ass to the sky :( i can get off the bike enough but its hard to straighten my legs and as u say your legs follow your ass so i should get them better today :D

[kaneuzelac]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/bluntproject/Picture006.jpg

heres a nice pic from today thought id share

[anxiety racing]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/bluntproject/Picture006.jpg

heres a nice pic from today thought id share

where is that at???? looks mad

[Skeletor666]

it could be a cowinkidink haha jokes bro

coincidence i think... dont quote me on that, i ride i dont go to school
that is the smartest thing i have ever heard u say n these board :)

[kaneuzelac]

where is that at???? looks mad
thats our compound at crabbs creek

[FMXfury]

when i go to do ssgs i tend to use my right hand cos i feel its stronger but i think its wrong... is it.. i watched robbie adelberg do em at bdv when he rode his 80.. thats how i learnt to... but i cant fully extend em on my 125... any help wanted

[FmxJoshie]

i find pushing my hand that is holding the seat down helps lift your body up from the bike

[waadofmx]

hey boyz i need help i em fine with grabing the seat but when i try to flick my legs out behind the bike all i do is a no footer and im realy gettin pissed off so can someone plz help me?? thnx heeps
waade

[Zach M]

thank for this hey some reading of all this and some coaching off dan got me this... ow wadofmx try pushing away from the bike not kicking just atm maybe that will help (dan told me that lol)

[waadofmx]

thnx zach, ill give it a go and thats a nice ssg u did there.
seeyup

[jayden warner]

thank for this hey some reading of all this and some coaching off dan got me this... ow wadofmx try pushing away from the bike not kicking just atm maybe that will help (dan told me that lol)


damn zacie boi is getting goood!..
good onya man ..
high 5 bud!

[JoNy.B]

oi zach m8 ur a sick rider...ur ssg's look sick, like all ur the tricks lol.

[GrEEfInd]

that's awesome as Zac...looking mad as! Well done..